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R90/6 rear-ended at stoplight. Need help accessing damage

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Howard Stender
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Hello,

This happened to a friend of mine and he’s bringing the bike to me to access damage and ascertain if the frame is bent.  I have not seen it yet, but he tells me the car wasn’t traveling very fast, hit him square in the rear tire/fender/taillight area.  Taillight is toast.  One thing that has me wondering is his comment that the mufflers on both sides are now touching the lower shock mounting bolt.  After the initial impact, the bike fell on its right side so maybe muffler was bent in.

our concern is maybe a bent frame or swingarm. Do any of you know about how to check for these issues?  Measurements?  Alignment jig?  We’d sure appreciate any help or suggestions.  Thank you very much.

 
Posted : 08/22/2022 17:09
Richard W
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You'll need a level and a plumb bob. Shim the bike at the center stand until the swing arm is level. Then remove the seat and run the same level along the frame under the seat. From there you can drop the plumb bob to see if there is misalignment from the top shock mounts.

I would assume the mufflers are gone. You'll only be able to check the muffler mounts with new mufflers. Parts like the muffler mounts are heated, straightened out, and re-painted.... you don't get a new sub-frame for that.

I may have a rear fender, tail lamp and turn signal bar, if needed.

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Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 08/23/2022 04:55
Howard Stender
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Thank you, Richard!  Exactly the information I need.  Although I’m not sure what you mean by, “if there is misalignment from the top shock mounts.”  The string line will only show true vertical.  Are the shocks absolutely vertical when undamaged?  No front to rear or right to left angles?  I’m not sure what I’d be looking for, can you offer a bit more clarification?  I do have a /5 in my shop that I’m working on now, but no /6 available to use as a reference.  

 
Posted : 08/23/2022 05:16
Richard W
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If the sub-frame was bent from having the rear fender smashed, then it will typically no longer be horizontal. That will be very evident using the level along the top of the sub frame loop which passes under the seat.

But in rare cases, the sub-frame could also be pushed to one side... and still be "level" in the horizontal. This lateral movement will show up by dropping a plumb line (or a vertical level) from the top shock mounts to the lower shock mounts on the swing arm. The swing arm is VERY stiff. Of the 2, it is much more likely that the sub frame moved (got bent), rather than the swing arm. So the 2 mounts for the rear shocks (the upper and lower pair), as viewed from the rear, should be vertical.

The mounting distance between the pairs of shock mounts should be 340mm. And since the shocks themselves are comprised of a small, easily bent rod, you'll also want to check the eye-to-eye distance of the shocks themselves. Then if you can get the springs off, check the rear shocks for full stroke compression with no binding.

You're simply working from one known, unchanged area to establish if the next area is where it should be.

Hope this helps.

 

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Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 08/24/2022 04:54
Howard Stender
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@wobbly Thank you Richard.  That helps a lot.  And I’ll keep you in mind if we need those parts.  Really appreciate your wisdom & help!

 
Posted : 08/24/2022 05:11
Richard W
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Come by in a truck. I have more body parts than I can possibly ever ship.

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 08/26/2022 05:11
Howard Stender
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  • @wobbly. I’d be happy to bring my truck, maybe even my trailer. But no idea where you live. I’m by Green Bay, Wisconsin.  You’re probably in Alaska or South America. But thanks!
 
Posted : 08/27/2022 06:40
Howard Stender
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Guys

After hearing nothing from the customer about his bike, I contacted him to see what was going on.  He told me his insurance company had totaled the bike, took possession of it and wrote him a check.  He went out and bought a Norton.  
Another airhead went to the scrap pile.  Sad

 
Posted : 10/21/2022 11:39
Richard W
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Posted by: @howard-stender

After hearing nothing from the customer about his bike, I contacted him to see what was going on.  He went out and bought a Norton.  

Norton's are a very strange combination of the new and the antique. The 'magic' is only skin deep. He'll be right back !!

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 10/22/2022 06:30
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Howard Stender
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I’m sure I wouldn’t have bought a Norton.  I would have looked for another Airhead.  I have a friend that has a 75/5 with a sidecar for sale.  He could have bought that one.  

 
Posted : 10/22/2022 07:37
James Strickland
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I think that what happens when a vintage bike is totaled is that the insurance company sells it to a recycler if the owner does not want to buy it back from the insurer. That would keep the bike in the supply chain of spare parts. If anyone was interested, all you would have to do is ask the insurer where they sell these wrecked vehicles and try to track it down. I'm sure the insured could make an inquiry.  A friend who lost a bike to a deer strike saw his old bike for sale as a parts bike on ebay a few months later.  

former Airmarshal, IL.

 
Posted : 10/24/2022 13:33

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