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'74 R75/6: Mixture screw and a few other questions

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Eric Tashlin
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A few weeks ago we bought a 1974 R75/6 with just over 140,000mi on it. For most of its life it was owned by one man, who kept it running to his satisfaction for 42 years, though he tended not to change anything unless it was actively broken. The next owner did a 1200mi road trip tinkered a bit, but he was more a Japanese bike guy, which is how we ended up able to buy it.

We decided we'd go through and check over much of the systems, and replace parts that were worn out or in danger of being so. I also felt it wasn't running as smoothly as it should be, and the behavior of the enricher worried me, namely that putting on the enricher would almost immediately kill the engine. Along the way, we've run into some issues that needed addressing, such as a split open nut on the left intake rocker arm, comically worn out teeth on the throttle assembly, and the left carburetor (Bing 64/32/10) had the enricher disk installed backwards, which shocked the heck out of me, even after reading that it was something to watch for.

Here's where my question comes in: we've got dual plug heads, which from what I've read, means we have to use a vacuum tool for balancing rather than the shorting method, as we can't just disconnect one set of plugs without risking the ignition system (which was changed out to a Dyna coil system and electronic ignition, so I'm not sure if that guidance still applies). So after adjusting the valves, and replacing all the nuts under the valve cover with appropriate replacements, I set the mix screws to 0.75 turns out and the idle adjust screws to 1.5 turns in to give a baseline idle, then after letting the bike warm a bit, tried to get things set.

On the left carburetor, when I turn the mix screw all the way in, the engine dies, which is the behavior I expect. On the right side however, even turning the mix screw all the way down doesn't have much impact on the engine idle, which is rough as hell. Now I'm trying to figure out if that is pointing to a problem within the carburetor, or if I should be looking elsewhere, such as replacing plugs, or tinkering with timing. I'm an old aircooled VW guy, but I always ran single carburetors, so figuring out about balancing dual carbs is intimidating, even with all the good info out there.

Which brings up another question, I don't have points, but I still have an advance mechanism, and I think there's still a condenser, though I don't associate that with electronic ignitions as a rule. Is there anything I should know in particular about timing with that set up, most of what I find only relates to timing with the stock configuration?

And finally: when I pulled the front engine cover off, I disconnected the *positive* lead out of habit from cars, rather than the negative as is widely instructed. The bike starts up and all lights work, so I'm guessing I escaped killing the diode board, but for future reference, does the bike use a positive ground, or is there some other reason to disconnect the negative terminal?

Just for fun, here's a picture of the nut I removed from the left intake rocker mount. After seeing this, we bought all new replacements to be on the safe side

 
Posted : 05/18/2020 00:01
Richard W
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Some mixed thoughts....

• The Bing enricheners are a constant issue. Not only can they be reversed, but they can also be swapped Left into Right, causing a different kind of trouble. Good eyes. Glad you caught that one, most people don't.

• These days, the "shorting" and the "disconnecting the plug cap" methods are NEVER advised. Time has proven it's a great way to burn out an ignition coil... no matter what type, brand, or the number of plugs per head. Just DON'T do it. Go ahead and make a good manometer set up LIKE THIS. That''s all you need.

• You got a slight mix-up there. The Idle mixture screw setting is more like 1-1/2 turns out to start. The Idle speed screw is set by the tachometer (engine RPM) and not the number of turns.

• Jap and Brit bikes are ready to have their carbs tweaked after a 1-2 minute in-garage warm up. This procedure will absolutely not work on a BMW Airhead. They simply run too cool to effectively make any carb adjustments without first riding the bike for several miles. Most sources quote 8-10 miles, You can adjust all you want in the garage, but after 15 minutes on the road, all your work is going to be for naught, and more adjustments will be required upon return.

• Idle should be set around 950-1000 rpm, with the vacuum gauges showing even balance. Then, the throttle has to be increased at the twist grip to 1700-2000 RPM and the throttle cables have to be adjusted to balance out the vacuum gauges. Everyone forgets that last part.

• ALL carb adjustments are wasted time and energy unless all other tune-up settings (plugs, valves, air filter, ignition timing, plug wires, plug caps, float height, compression readings, et al) are adjusted/ checked/ measured first. Carb settings are completely dependent upon all other settings. If you intend to start the tune-up with the carbs, then be prepared to repeat the entire process at the end.

• Dual plug timing is a specialty unto itself. Sorry, I can't help you with those specifics. But timing is always best set using the 'F' mark at high RPM. In other words, use a strobe lamp to set the ignition at Full Advance where the engine runs while going down the road. 'On the road' is where you want the engine to do it's best. There's only one brand of motorcycle where the owners want the engine to run its best at idle, and that brand is not BMW. 😛

• More research is required on your ignition. In 1976, electronic ignitions (EI) were in their infancy. You are much more likely to have one of the spark boosting "capacitive discharge" systems. There were some early EI systems that used the mechanical advance, which is not as good, since the mechanical portion is the weak point of the entire ignition anyway. Modern EI (since ~1990) systems have zero moving parts and the advance is done in software. No EI system that I'm aware of incorporates the use of the old ignition capacitor ("ignition condenser"); the capacitor goes away with the points. If you can't figure out what brand or type system your bike is running, then you may need to replace it simply to tune your bike correctly. Allow me to point out the obvious and say, if you have trouble 200 miles from home, how can you troubleshoot an unknown ?

• You are correct. Disconnecting either battery terminal effectively disconnects the whole battery from the system. We generally recommend the Negative terminal simply because the Positive side may have multiple cables on it and the single connection is much easier to deal with. Make sure to disconnect at the Battery Terminal because the Negative cable connection at the gearbox is physically weak and cannot withstand multiple re-connections.

Hope this helps !

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 05/18/2020 10:01
Eric Tashlin
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Thanks for all the info! I'll admit, trying to get this bike in tune is intimidating the hell out of me, it seems like there are so many moving parts (so to speak) that have to be balanced. You mentioned backing out the idle mixture screw 1.5 turns to start, but where do you go from there? What I read basically said to adjust it until you find the highest revs it induces at idle, but the right side screw at the moment has virtually no effect on the idle speed.

I set the idle speed screws to 1.5 turns in just to get the bike so it will idle when cold, but I could back them out and use the enricher to try and hold the idle, since it seems to be behaving itself now, and yes, I did check that the enricher disks were marked for the correct side of the bike, in addition to fixing the orientation on the left side unit.

New plugs will happen today, and I did change the air filter, which seemed not to have been done in a long time. Checking the float height wasn't on my list though, so I'll add that to my list. I'll also see about a compression check, as while I was assured compression is good, and I've got records of a top-end rebuild not so many miles ago, it's worth confirming.

The news on that ignition is concerning, and I can see why potentially replacing it with a known-quantity modern unit might make sense (I'm open to suggestions). Here's a photo of what the current set-up looks like

I know it's advised to ride the bike prior to adjustments, but I wanted to touch base about whether I'm risking any damage to the bike by riding it when the two cylinders are clearly out of synch (bike rocks from side to side noticeably at idle for instance. Is there anything I should watch out for as a warning sign that I *shouldn't* ride it as a warm up?

 
Posted : 05/18/2020 12:45
Richard W
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More mixed thoughts....

• Highest idle speed is the ultimate goal when setting the Idle Mixture Screw, but you're not going to get that until the engine is thoroughly hot. The "sweet spot" should be within 1/8 turn in or out from the starting position of 1-1/2 turns. If you need to turn more than +/- 1/8 turn, then something else is wrong. Truth is... when I'm tuning my bike I simply set them to 1-1/2 turns and walk away.

...but the right side screw at the moment has virtually no effect on the idle speed.

• That's because your Right Side slow speed jet is clogged. Replace the small jets on both sides. And squirt carb cleaner through the Idle Screw Mixture passage. You probably also have a clogged enrighener jet, here...

Again... the Idle Speed Screw is set by engine RPM, and ONLY engine RPM. I have no idea where you heard or read about number of turns on idle speed, but you should wipe that little nugget from your cranium. I'm glad to volunteer time to help you, but because it takes so long to answer these type posts with the necessary detail, there's no time to repeat stuff. You're getting the benefit of several decades of professional m/c mechanic experience, accept the knowledge or let it pass.

• Plugs: NGK BP7ES. Along with new plugs... check out installing new plug wires and plug caps. The trio is under $20. Cheap insurance.

• If you intend to set the float heights, then Bing has new ethanol-proof floats, which I highly suggest, along with 2 new float needles.

• If you'll remove that center screw on the auto advance unit, it will pull straight off the shaft. Then you should be able to read a brand name on the tiny blue circuit board. That in turn will allow you to visit their web site, and pull down the PDF instruction manual. BTW... that mechanical advance is going to need to be lubricated and possibly receive 2 new springs.

• As long as the fuel is high test with a built-in cleaner, the ignition timing is pretty close, the valves are checked, the engine oil is the correct grade and level, and the tires are inflated... then no harm will come. In fact a few hundred miles it is probably the best thing you can do.

• I will also refer you to an article about getting Airheads going after storage. It used to be stored as a Stickie in the root maintenance directory, but the powers that be have decreed it 'non grata' and have pushed it off to some obscure corner. It only took me 2 months to write, so it's quite complete with ideas, photos and charts. Worth your while to look up. Lots of what you're asking is covered.

All the best.

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 05/18/2020 14:15
Eric Tashlin
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Thank you again for sharing your knowledge!

You're definitely right about the ignition being an older version of points-replacements, I just dug through the records that came with the bike, and it looks like the conversion to dual plug heads and coil packs, as well as (I think) the solid-state points replacement, was done in '87. It's those lower plugs that have been stressing me out in terms of replacements btw, since they are totally different than the top ones, but I found the info in the bike's files, looks like 12mm x 1/2" NKG D6HS plugs are what were originally used in the lower holes.

New plug wires and caps make a lot of sense too. Do folk tend to buy ones specific to their airheads, or just buy spark plug wire by the length, a bunch of caps, and assemble themselves?

Looks like I'll be digging back into the carbs, in more detail. Do you have any sources you recommend, or *don't* recommend for gasket kits and those replacement slow speed jets? I know that Bing carries most parts, though I didn't see a slow speed jet on their parts list.

I've put about 150mi on the bike since getting it (rode it home 90mi the day I picked it up), and that's really good info about tolerances for riding.

 
Posted : 05/18/2020 15:21
Richard W
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It's the older, stock OEM spark plug caps and wires you'll want to worry about. They seem to go out at about 40 years.

Read this... https://www.airheads.org/forum/wrenching/992-new-owner-primer-tips-to-get-your-airhead-back-on-the-road

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 05/19/2020 07:53
Michael Dwyer
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I believe disconnecting the negative battery cable first is a safety step. If your wrench should touch any metal, you will not create a short and big electrical arc on a negative ground system.

 
Posted : 07/01/2020 15:59
Richard W
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Allow me to modify that statement. Disconnecting the battery is a safety step. TRUE.

If the front engine's front cover touches the wrong part of the rectifier on its way during removal or installation, then you run the risk of burning out one or more of the 6 diodes inside the pricey rectifier. There will be no warning, your charge rate will simply drop by 1/3 or 2/3 and your battery will go dead ~50 miles later. This scenario could also happen with a wrench, but the cover is common to ALL owners and all repairs when working in this area of the engine.

Owning an old Airhead is easy.
Keeping an old Airhead running great is the true test.

 
Posted : 07/02/2020 07:46
john stirling
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74 R75/6: Mixture screw and a few other questions was created by Winter
A few weeks ago we bought a 1974 R75/6 with just over 140,000mi on it. For most of its life it was owned by one man, who kept it running to his satisfaction for 42 years, though he tended not to change anything unless it was actively broken. The next owner did a 1200mi road trip tinkered a bit, but he was more a Japanese bike guy, which is how we ended up able to buy it.

We decided we'd go through and check over much of the systems, and replace parts that were worn out or in danger of being so. I also felt it wasn't running as smoothly as it should be, and the behavior of the enricher worried me, namely that putting on the enricher would almost immediately kill the engine. Along the way, we've run into some issues that needed addressing, such as a split open nut on the left intake rocker arm, comically worn out teeth on the throttle assembly, and the left carburetor (Bing 64/32/10) had the enricher disk installed backwards, which shocked the heck out of me, even after reading that it was something to watch for.

Here's where my question comes in: we've got dual plug heads, which from what I've read, means we have to use a vacuum tool for balancing rather than the shorting method, as we can't just disconnect one set of plugs without risking the ignition system (which was changed out to a Dyna coil system and electronic ignition, so I'm not sure if that guidance still applies). So after adjusting the valves, and replacing all the nuts under the valve cover with appropriate replacements, I set the mix screws to 0.75 turns out and the idle adjust screws to 1.5 turns in to give a baseline idle, then after letting the bike warm a bit, tried to get things set.

On the left carburetor, when I turn the mix screw all the way in, the engine dies, which is the behavior I expect. On the right side however, even turning the mix screw all the way down doesn't have much impact on the engine idle, which is rough as hell. Now I'm trying to figure out if that is pointing to a problem within the carburetor, or if I should be looking elsewhere, such as replacing plugs, or tinkering with timing. I'm an old aircooled VW guy, but I always ran single carburetors, so figuring out about balancing dual carbs is intimidating, even with all the good info out there.

Which brings up another question, I don't have points, but I still have an advance mechanism, and I think there's still a condenser, though I don't associate that with electronic ignitions as a rule. Is there anything I should know in particular about timing with that set up, most of what I find only relates to timing with the stock configuration?

And finally: when I pulled the front engine cover off, I disconnected the *positive* lead out of habit from cars, rather than the negative as is widely instructed. The bike starts up and all lights work, so I'm guessing I escaped killing the diode board, but for future reference, does the bike use a positive ground, or is there some other reason to disconnect the negative terminal?

Just for fun, here's a picture of the nut I removed from the left intake rocker mount. After seeing this, we bought all new replacements to be on the safe side

The o-ring on your enrigher screw is bad. It may look good but when you replace it you will see the cracks. Remove the screw, do not lose the spring, examine the tip to see if it is mashed (if so, replace screw). I only get 2 years out of the o-rings but I only touch my carbs every 2 years too. I buy the o-rings in 10 packs, every tech day there will b someone with a bad one.

The shorting method works fine with dual plugs. The lower plugs are simply shorted out and left that way (another set of shorting wires with microclips on them to short the spark plug leads to the fins).

12mm lower plugs are very desirable, more meat around them in the heads. They must be short reach and I find the lower plugs foul a bit more than the uppers so I run one heat range hotter. So they will be a different number.

I use non-resistor spark plug caps, copper core wire (by the foot from napa) and common resistor plugs. Oh the arguments I have had with Bob on that on! He's an electronics guy but has never convinced me otherwise. More importantly he hasn't tried. I'd eat him for lunch and he knows it. Bit of sad stuff he learned from Oak I suspect. Anyway there must be 5k ohms in the total secondary circuit (wires = 0 caps OR plugs = 5k ohm). The secondary wires must always be grounded one way or the other or else. With the shorting method they are alternately shorted through the plugs and the shorting sticks.

The shorting method used to be very popular but has fallen from favor even as myths have sprung up around it. Balancing by vacuum uses the wrong principles (among other problems). It really helps to have someone take you through it once and the people that know it are fewer and fewer. Very easy to just post a sketch of a utube manometer and call it the cats meeow. But they are more tricky than they seem. I have never sen a photo of one in action.

I have been using the shorting metod since my early 20's. I am 61 now, But I'm a tool nut. When walus came out with a manometer built around an unholy sensitive differential magnehelic manometer I had to have one. But the thing would not sync the carbs as well as my shorting sticks. Sold it. Upgraded the shorting sticks (which are completely portable, take little room, can be used anywhere, etc.).But there is an important point: happy is happy. The majority of people do not know how well the engine can run, but they are happy. Happy is happy. The shorting method shakes out the crb circuits one at a time, if anything is amiss one stops and corrects it. With vacuum sticks when the results are poor people are clueless. The vacuum can be dead on but the mixtures way off. This is not obvious. When you balance for power (shorting method) it's very obvious.

If you remove a float bowl you can hold a jelly glass (Ball or kerr brand wide mouth) up firmly to the bottom of the carb. The glass is small enough to contact the bottom of the carb but big enough for the float to move freely. Turn on the petcock and mark the gas level on the side of the glass. Dump the gas back in the tank and do the other side. You want the levels pretty equal. There are other methods too But I find this one quick a and easy check for a sunken float.

Remove the advance unit. Replace the beat up screw and if you do not have parallel tip screwdrivers get some. That screw goes into the cam nose. Overtighten it and you will be replacing the cam. Remove the advance mechanism and spray it off with carb cleaner.Lube the pivots with high quality oil…zoom-spout or singer, never 3 in 1 or wd40. Mark the orientation of the electronic plate and remove it. Look for bare metal where the screws go through it. Those would be the grounds to the case. Clean then with a pencil eraser and clean the screws. Look on the back for bare metal that also would be grounds. Re-assemble.

Leave the advance springs alone unless a test with the timing light reveals they are bad. Time it at full advance.

Always disconnect the negative battery cable. The bolt where the negative cable connects to the tranny serves 3 functions which is 2 too many. Very easy to strip it and an expensive repair. Slot the cable eye so the bolt may be loosened a quarter turn and the cable removed. I moved that junction to another bolt and made a special junction at the battery because I run multiple ground cables. I disconnect at the battery with a quarter turn with one tool.

You have a condenser so when the electronic ignition craps out (it will) you can slap in the points plate and points you always carry and ride on. Except you will have forgotten how to do it by then. Still, the condenser is there and ready.

I do not do a warm up rid before tuning. Again, the principle is wrong though long embedded in airhead lore.. The bike gets hotter faster in the driveway on high idle than on the road with cooling air flowing over the fins. He oil temp gauge on the dash proves it. I take the oil to 275F then shut it down and let the heat soak while I get the tool roll out.

 
Posted : 07/06/2020 05:02

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